Ravi's Blog: privacy is not in the tax-payers interest   28/06/2010

I have a regular Monday-shift every fortnight for a pharmacy in Crawley, near Gatwick Airport and I was recently asked to cover a full two weeks whilst the regular pharmacist took her holiday.

On my Monday shifts, it was standard practice that each morning we would be sent between 15 and 25 private prescriptions, ranging between 30 and 50 items, from the immigration holding department within Gatwick Airport’s perimeter border. These prescriptions would be for the illegal immigrants waiting to be deported back to their own countries. After working for two full weeks, I realised that this was not a weekly thing as I’d assumed, but this amount of prescriptions were sent daily.


The prescriptions not only included various medication – from blood pressure to diabetes tablets – but other common items. These included moisturisers such as 500g tubs of Diprobase and E45, as well as Kalms tablets, Nytol, antidepressants and even Zineryt. Why these people need to have Zineryt prescribed? - Heaven-forbid someone to have spots or dry skin before they are deported.

I just think it’s totally ridiculous that tax-payers’ money is being spent so frivolously when the nation is in debt. It also seems it would cost more than it should (even with the agreed discounts) since they are all private prescriptions, and as the Government is ultimately paying for it, why not just put it on NHS prescriptions and have themselves save some money?

Well, besides the huge uproar amongst tax-payers if we found out the NHS (tax-payers) were footing the bill for those illegally trying to enter or stay in the UK, I guess it's because they aren't eligible to be 'exempt'; but if the Government is paying for it anyway, it just seems they would prefer to pay more just to be able to claim the 'NHS' is not paying for it.


Personally I think it’s a mockery and judging by some of the ‘essential’ prescription items I’ve dispensed, I think it takes the Mick.

Let’s see if this new coalition Government put a stop to all of it. But am I being too harsh or do others agree with me?


Ravi's Blog: students bear the cost of OTC medicine   29/03/2010

Image of Ravi PatelTwo female university students came in together to the pharmacy today for ‘the morning after pill’. Without getting into the debacle of asking whether it was a coincidence they both needed emergency contraceptives at the same time, I simply made sure their requests suited the criteria.
 
I advised the two girls that it would cost them £25 each to buy as a [P], but they thought I was joking and soon became irate when they realised I wasn’t. I tried to explain that they could obtain it free if they could get a prescription or go to a free-EHC participating pharmacy (but my online search showed the nearest one wasn’t close).
 
I continued to explain that the supply [P] Levonelle is for emergencies, hence its price and that the fee almost acts as a deterrent. They argued with me how ridiculous it was that they had to pay when it should be free and that they did not wish to go to their surgery. They further added that if they both became pregnant that it would be my fault. My fault! 

 
They then decided amongst one another that they wished to purchase ONE tablet and after questioning discovered they intended to take half a dose each. I refused and told them that they would need the correct dose to be effective.
 
Finally, after 20 minutes of moaning and guilt-trip laying, they both decided to purchase some. Students eh!


Ravi's Blog: you can never do enough for patients 02/03/2010

Patients… You bend over backwards for them, run around after them, chase up their delayed prescription repeats which they did not order until the very last minute, deliver medicines to their home, even in 6 feet of snow, but then as soon as one minor thing occurs which they do not like, “I am canceling my service with this pharmacy”.

Community pharmacy is serviced based, building patient rapport, trust and understanding is a given; so why is it that patients do not feel the same? It just seems ‘chemists’ are places to get their prescriptions filled, and more often than not the deciding factor on choosing where they should go is probably their waiting time and not the pharmacist on duty (which I would consider more important).

Today an elderly gentleman came into a pharmacy in Seaford, which I was covering for two weeks. He requested an ‘emergency’ of co-codamol 8/500 for himself and his wife. After looking at both their records I saw that although both were very regular patients, his wife had never even had the drug from this pharmacy and the last time he had it was for a one-off batch two years ago. I explained to the gentleman politely that it was not a repeat item and that we were not readily allowed to give it out as an ‘emergency’ request but if he wanted he could buy it OTC for £2 or other, or indeed he could ask his GP to write a prescription for it and be free.

The counter-assistant supported me and kindly showed the gentleman the packet and scanned the item. He refused to pay for medication. Since the surgery was literally next door to us, the counter-assistant advised the gentleman that he may wish to ask for a prescription and get it for free. He then informed us that he had been coming here for 15 years and that as of today he will go straight to the surgery but only to cancel his repeat requests and never to come here again…!

It feels like blackmail, because financially it would just make sense to hand over the co-codamol 8/500 so that he would keep his prescriptions with the pharmacy. This is not the first time I have heard this, in fact many times and often the patient comes back anyway. Quite a few of them seem to know they have this power and use it to their advantage; they may feel neighbouring pharmacies will fight for their next prescription.

I guess it works both ways because only the other day did a patient come into the same pharmacy and wished to have all his medication dispensed and picked up by us because the multiple across the road apparently questioned why he came in through the ‘exit’ door and not the ‘entrance’.

Argh, I think the "I'll take my business elsewhere" card has been played one time too many…

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Ravi's Blog: Did good propaganda sway Boards' election?   02/02/2010

I was not surprised to read who won the seats for the England and Wales Pharmacy Boards given all the 'encouragement' to solely vote for these particular candidates.

I'm not saying the right people didn't win, nor that I didn't vote for any of the winners, but it just seemed as if the remaining candidates were at a clear disadvantage to win, fighting against, dare I say, candidates supported by strong propaganda in terms of magazine articles and numerous emails. These clearly pushed for pharmacists to only vote for the 'Stop Remote Supervision' group to be elected; this seemed to have worked given the landslide victory.

I received emails from candidates whom I have never spoken with, let alone given my email address to, urging me to vote for themselves and the 'SRS Crew' over the others, as this should certify preventing remote supervision.

Of course 'remote supervision' is not on any pharmacist's wish-list and so doing anything to prevent this would be in our best interest, but that's not to say that those candidates who were not part of the chosen SRS group did not stand for the same major principle, yet may have had more to offer.

Who knows? If more pharmacists had taken a keen interest in reading all the candidate profiles and independently voting, would this have changed the end result?


Ravi's Blog  

Let me start by introducing myself. Five years ago I decided to study Pharmacy at the University of Manchester, partly for the diverse modules it offered but more so to fly the Liverpool FC flag high in the heart of the City.

After four years and recently finishing my pre-registration year with Day Lewis, I am now a fully qualified pharmacist. I was awarded the ‘Pre-Registration Pharmacist of the Year 2008’ by C+D this year, which some say had to have been the result of a few bribes, but I still refuse to comment!

Anyway, as a result, the editors have asked whether I would be interested in writing this new blog. So, what is it about? Well, C+D has introduced the blog to ideally be aimed at younger, new-age pharmacists and pre-registration pharmacists - those of us who don't just poke at the keyboard with our index fingers to type.

As the website continually expands and online readers are steadily increasing, it will be a good way to get new pharmacists involved and to contribute their opinions, which you cannot do so easily through the magazine.

I will be sharing my personal thoughts, views and experiences with you as I progress as a pharmacist, with the aim of encouraging readers to get involved and offer their own views. I am still looking for a good sign off, so all suggestions welcome!

Post a comment by clicking on the link below. If you're not registered,
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1.  Posted by Hardworking Locum, On 22/03/2010 00:24

On a serious note - Pharmacists have become a kicking ball for both patients and GP surgery - in some instances the Pharmacy is almost procastinating to get the favour of the GP surgery / the patient. Yes, giving good customer service is important, but NOT when its going to put us in a difficult situation. I've been through this sort of scenario countless times - and iv even stopped Lending tablets - rather i'll help the patient contact the out of hours doctor who then faxes us a prescription - while the patient waits patiently - be it 30mins or 2 hours. The more we allow ourselves to be dictated to by the public /GP surgeries in areas we're supposed to be in charge - the more likely our stress levels are going to go thru the roof (and stress causes illness). No patient / doctor is worth risking your career for.


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2.  Posted by Keith Howell, On 27/02/2010 11:47

Hey Ravi.

Thanks for taking my comments in such good spirit (I do get carried away sometimes-apologies!). I think the results of the EPB election should be good for pharmacy and pharmacists. But I also hope that pioneering pharmacists such as yourself continue to push the profession forwards.

Ps. I'll have to take all those PJ pics out of their frames..My bedroom will never be the same..But it'll all be worth it for those autographs :)


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3.  Posted by Ravi Patel, On 26/02/2010 10:54

Hi Keith, thanks for the comments. I agree with you, and I also think that it might be unfair the society uses PJ advertising space to support the charter changes, as it may be disadvantageous to groups opposing it, and it is that same unfairness you saw here that I was trying to point out in my previous article

I am not objecting to who won the EPB election and that I may indeed have even voted for the winners after reading their profiles and PDA article, but wanted to see others' opinions on whether encouragement from media used in the EPB elections was fair (and including other pharmacy-related elections), as some voters may not act independently like yourself and be easily swayed by external articles, mass emails etc without reading any further.

Also, I read the previous comment by K Singh and slightly disagree with him because although I agree more could have voted, I too believe that 21% turnout of voters is an improvement from past elections and hopefully we can keep on engaging more of us to vote throughout the years.

P.S. If you still had a copy of that PJ with my face plastered on it, I could sign it for you if you like - just kidding!! :)


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4.  Posted by Keith Howell, On 20/02/2010 19:03

Hi Ravi.

I know this won't be left in the right place but there didn't seem to be a facility to respond to your recent comments elsewhere and I felt it necessary.

I find it difficult to understand your objection to the 'encouragement' of the SRS candidates. How is this 'encouragement' different from the full page campaigns you endorsed for the RPSGB charter changes? In fact, I don't remember seeing any promotional material for the SRS candidates in any journal. But I certainly remember seeing your face plastered all over the PJ...Was this fair to those not in favour of the charter changes? No. But to suggest that pharmacists are incapable of listening to these views and then drawing their OWN views does us a great disservice. As does your suggestion that pharmacists who did vote, didn't bother to read all the candidate profiles or vote independently.

Apathy in pharmacy is a huge problem. It is immensely frustrating..And there are times when I am just as guilty. But the results of the EPB are clear. Remote supervision is an important issues to pharmacists. As you have said, remote supervision would not be on any pharmacists wish-list. And with good reason. The threats are clear.

So we should celebrate the fact that pharmacists have spoken with a single clear voice that remote supervision should be stopped. Remember, the RPSGB have stated that it was the 'highest turnout for board elections in recent years' (at 21%). This is comparable with the charter change ballot which attracted 22.3% of members.

Perhaps other EPB candidates did agree with the SRS campaign. Equally, I'm certain that the SRS candidates have more to offer beyond this issue. Indeed, I know they do. I read their profiles. Did you? The difference is, these candidates appreciate the importance of the remote-supervision issue and campaigned accordingly. Fortunately for all of us, enough of our colleagues agreed...


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5.  Posted by Daniel M B, On 10/10/2008 09:51

Nice work Ravi and congratulations on the award. Your blog made me laugh on a dreary Friday morning and it's good to see someone represent young pharmacists.


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Ravi's Blog: Free isn't always easy   11/01/2010

Everybody likes saving money whenever possible, but it seems when people get something for free they can start to get quite picky. I had a patient come in this week that was adamant that since her Protium (PI pack) was manufactured in Europe it was of an inferior quality and that she was not going to be 'conned’ into having it. She also informed me that she would not take any drugs that were not made in England and did not want any of "the cheaper drugs from the EU."
 
I tried to explain that this was not like comparing a Hugo Boss suit with an Asda George one because in fact the manufacturer was the same, just in another country, hence cheaper to buy due to exchange rate fluctuations and some other factors. She stuck to her guns and told me that it was cheaper because it was of a lesser quality. I explained that due to the Euro's recent strength that in fact interestingly some of the European drugs may well have become more expensive and according to her theory became better in quality whilst still sitting on dispensary shelves.

It did make me smile as it would have been easier, and if it were up to me I would have just offered to order in UK brands for her. However, since I was a mere employee and having previously been informed that the pharmacy was only buying and supplying the PI version, I thought I’d try to settle her misconception and keep everyone happy. Getting absolutely nowhere, the manager thankfully stepped in and informed the patient that he would be able to accommodate in this instance but reiterated that both the drugs would still be identical in their quality as they were actually both made by Nycomed.
 
I bet if she had to pay for it then she would have chosen the more cost-effective one! Anyway, we agreed that she would leave the prescription and return in a few days; enough time for us to order in all UK manufactured medication for all her other branded medication too, including Half-Inderal.
 
I totally understand when patients tolerate a certain brand over another, but this particular patient did not fall under this blanket and just before leaving she said something along the lines of "I refuse to take anything that wasn't 100% made in the UK and won't be fobbed off with any European alternatives"...
 
I saw her that same week in the cafe eating a croissant - I was tempted to walk over to her table and swap it for a piece of toast!...



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Ravi's Blog: Can I borrow some drugs?   06/11/2009

"I'm completely out of my tablets and the surgery said you will give me a loan for a few days while they process my repeat prescription"... I pretty much heard that same sentence six times from different people one morning last week, which had me rather peeved by the end of the day.

 

 

It was a Monday morning and the surgery was open all day; the patients had almost all said that they had run out over the weekend and whilst putting in their repeat slip into the surgery that morning were told it wouldn't be ready before Wednesday but the pharmacy would loan them some in the meantime. The patients would obviously then come in to the pharmacy only for me to tell them that I cannot help as it doesn't comply with the 'emergency supply' criteria and they therefore need to go back to the surgery.

 

 

Surgery staff have more power than we do to help provide the patient with their medication that same day if they have run out, whether it be printing out a new prescription, sending a fax or organising an emergency at the request of a prescriber, but they still send the patient to us first.

 

 

Given that it's illegal to process non-emergency 'emergency prescriptions' at a patient's request, it puts you in a difficult position because you still want to help yet you're not allowed to freely hand over a few tablets whilst the surgery leisurely process it. So after explaining that only their surgery can help, the patient usually storms off in a huff, however, only to return later on that day with a prescription from that same surgery. What happened to "It won't be ready until Wednesday"?

 

 

It just seemed as if the surgery staff didn't want to bother making sure the patient had their medication that day and it was easier to just fob them off to the pharmacy to ask for an 'emergency' or to go without for a few days. However it is no coincidence that when an error or oversight occurs which is actually down to the surgery, the receptionists can have a prescription printed, signed and faxed (or sometimes even brought to us) within the hour!

 

I have seen the same thing whilst working in various places and I just feel more pharmacies and surgeries (more so the receptionists) need to work together better to improve patient care. Is this a coincidence or have others experienced similar things?

 

 

On another note, having re-read a few of my previous blog entries, including this one, I think 'Ravi's Blog' has become more 'Ravi's Rant'...



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1.  Posted by Amanda Jenkins, On 16/11/2009 19:13

locuming around I've seen patients asking for the same thing nationwide and sometimes I feel the surgery staff may not know the rules we have set in place for us and cannot just lend out willy nilly. There may well be some give, just as you could do 74mph on a motorway without too much trouble but the rule is still strictly 70mph. ps. I also would have assumed a pharmacist with the name A-Pothecary was a big a coincidence and as did Ravi I too would have thought it were a false name.


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2.  Posted by Andrew Pothecary, On 15/11/2009 20:16

Hi Ravi

If you bothered to check the Register, you would have in fact seen that this in fact my real name - I registered in 2003 and my registration number is 1072902.

Clearly I was not hiding behind a pseudonym and therefore stand by my comments.


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3.  Posted by Ravi Patel, On 14/11/2009 13:02

Thank you for sharing your views; I would like to add I ultimately did not need to provide any ‘emergency supplies’ as each of the patients returned within hours with prescriptions from the surgery; but I would have been willing to had they returned empty handed. However the point I was hoping to express more was the principle that the surgeries could do more to help and they should be the first people to contact when running out of medication when they are open and accessible. Some patients I encounter asking for the 'emergencies' have already put in their repeat slips the week before but the majority would be the usual ones that have become accustom to asking for a loan every time they put in their repeat as if it were normal procedure. Currently you still have to interview the patient and write up the details of the request including the reason for supply, which is something the society inspection is hot to check on, in case medication is changed, doses altered etc when the actual prescription is furnished.

True, emergencies when patients who are in desperate need will obviously pay but Mrs. Ethel Bloggs will not take kindly to me asking for her to pay while the surgery process her regular medication, nor would the companies I work for if I ‘charged’ at their expense.

With regards to the previous comment, the pharmacist stated that they have given emergency supplies on 'numerous' occasions, as a buffer between repeat prescriptions, but I cannot help but feel that if they truly thought current legislation supported this, that they would not have needed to hide behind a false name such as A Pothecary.

It's always good to hear others' opinions as it can provide an interesting debate. My personal feelings are that pharmacies/pharmacists should have more control over standard issue repeat medication for regular patients, which could solve this common 'emergency supply' issues on standard repeat medication when the slips are already being processed.


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4.  Posted by Andrew Pothecary, On 12/11/2009 22:58

Why didn't you give an emergency supply (assuming of course the patient is willing to pay - or the pharmacy is willing to bear the cost..) - I have done in these circumstances on numerous occassions before. Legislation doesn't specify what constitutes an emergency, but one of the conditions that must be met is "there is an immediate need for the [POM] to be sold or supplied AND that it is impracticable in the circumstances to obtain a prescription without undue delay". What constitutes an immediate need and undue delay is of course open to interpretation, but if the patients says they need an emergency supply to continue maintenance treatment (of anything) that could be considered an immediate need, and clearly if the patient has been told to wait 48 hours for the prescription, that's an undue delay. Would it be any different if the patient requested a salbutamol inhaler, or an Epi-pen? There is no reason why an Emergency Supply cannot be given just because a surgery is open! I've come across this attitude many times before and it's totally wrong - the Society aren't going to strike you off because you issued an emergency supply strictly within the letter of the law! Pharmacists need to stop being afraid of their own shadows and use the legal facilities that they have to help patients.

Of course, giving a loan in advance of a script *might* be considered fraud by the NHS, as you're then using an NHS script to reimburse a private sale - but I don't think anyone's been successfully prosecuted.


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Ravi's blog: An experience of open-plan pharmacy   29/09/2009

With all the changes that have happened in the past few years, the concept of bringing pharmacists forward - after being trapped behind the scenes in the dispensary - has been adopted by many companies.

Most places now at least have a little open window or low shelving so that the public can physically see the pharmacist working. I'm sure this isn't designed to prove to the public that I'm not picking up pills from the floor or trying their creams before bagging them up, but it's nice for them to see the process and to see that the pharmacist is readily available if needed.

But after working for a large multiple recently, I saw that some companies go the extra mile and have a separate desk in front of the dispensary on the shop floor where dispensers give medication to the pharmacist to check, bag up and give out. Yes, that's very nice in theory, and I'm sure whoever thought of it received a gold star, but if you are actually that pharmacist being glared at by a million impatient eyes, putting that extra bit of pressure on you when you are checking, you'll see it has its flaws.

Now, we all like open kitchens when we go out to a restaurant; seeing a nice clean kitchen and the chef working away is reassuring. I'm sure that they're even quite happy working with the concept too BUT what if you could go right up to that window and stare at him/her until your food was ready? Or, better yet (and similar to my experience), there wasn't a window and you could practically stand inches opposite him, watching intently as he prepared your dinner, occasionally glancing at your watch! 

Somehow I don't think it would take long before your soup was flung over you - complements of the chef!



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1.  Posted by Tanya Patel, On 20/10/2009 21:59

lol :)


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2.  Posted by , On 10/10/2009 13:56

I also will not do Face 2 Face dispensing. It is far too stressful!


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3.  Posted by David Lewis, On 01/10/2009 18:55

Absolutely agree - if the person who came up with the idea had to actually work with it I'm sure it would soon be re-designed. I've worked for the same multiple myself - a patient leant over the desk picked up the box of metformin and informed me that they were wrong as he preferred another manufacturer's product. Don't work for them any more!


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Ravi's Blog: An ethical test from a demanding patient   07/09/2009

 

I was working a half-day this Saturday when quite an angry man power walked in. He was a middle-aged chap and looked like the sort of person you wouldn't want to mess with! He asked the counter assistant if you he could speak to "the chemist" (as if my sole job is to carry out titrations and pH tests all day) as soon as possible.

I looked over and gave the nod that I would be over shortly. I assumed somebody had made a mistake with his script earlier that week and that he was here to complain and that I would be that lucky person to be shouted at - but I was wrong.

He threw down two medicine blisters out of their boxes, half used and demanded: "Now I found these somewhere where they shouldn't have been and you're gonna have to confirm what they are for!" 

I (again) assumed he must have found a Levonelle pack or something, but a closer look showed it was one blister for generic cetirizine 10mg and one of co-dydramol 10/500. I explained they were no more than an antihistamine available OTC and a prescription painkiller. He asked me if I was sure, which I confirmed (what was he expecting me to say - "no, not really, just thought I'd make an educated guess"?), and he then said "well please destroy them at once" and left...

 

If he'd mentioned that they were his wife's or girlfriend's etc and asked what they were for, I would've been obliged not to tell him due to patient confidentiality, but since he just asked what they were I didn't break any ethical rules, but afterwards still felt like I did somehow? Anyone have any opinions on this?



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1.  Posted by Tanya Patel, On 15/09/2009 10:56

I know what you mean, but i don;t think you broke confidentiality at the end of the day
he would have found out the information himself somehow even if you didn't tell him and he also didn't mention who it was for :)


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2.  Posted by Jane Mathews, On 09/09/2009 09:19

no definately fine because he only wanted to know what the tablets did and could have just looked on the internet or phoned around and asked other pharmacies what the tablets are for.


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Ravi's blog: management material?   24/08/2009

I can’t believe it has now already been a year since I first qualified as a pharmacist - it seems to have flown by! This year’s been a bit of an eye opener with its ups and downs, various changes, Society shake ups and, of course, the swine flu outbreak! Either way I'm glad to say I haven't been put off pharmacy yet...

 

I feel the initial choice for starting off my pharmacy career as a locum has proven a good one - I definitely feel more confident and have probably seen most of the different systems and working methods currently around by now. But I'm not sure whether to keep this up or maybe take on a permanent pharmacy manager's role that I've been offered. I guess it would provide beneficial managerial experience but since some people still say I look 16, I don't know who'll actually listen to me!

 

On a separate note, having constantly bragged to my family that pharmacists do not get ill due to their peerless immune systems as a result of daily contact with so many sick people from various surgeries and GPs, I’ve been taken ill. Still haven’t shifted this infection for over a week! I don't really like the taste of this humble pie I've had to eat...



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Ravi's blog: My manifesto for a fairer prescription system   04/08/2009

I heard the other day that the government proposes to abolish prescription charges throughout England in the near future. It seems like another political ploy as the money would surely still need to come from somewhere – which would undoubtedly mean they'd just increase taxes again!

Personally I don't think we have a great system within community pharmacy with regard to NHS prescriptions. Things seem unjust; last week I did a prescription for a diabetic patient (who was 'medically exempt') and so didn't pay for his medication...but it was for malathion!

 

How can someone with diabetes be more likely to contract nits or suffer advanced medical complications? Surely a person who is 'medically exempt' should only be exempt from paying for the medication used for treating that particular condition, not for their choice of everything and anything including head lice treatment!

 

It reminded me of an incident when a young lady came in during my pre-reg year for some head lice preparation. She worked part time and was not exempt from prescription charges. She knew that a prescription would cost £7.20 and when I told her the cheapest OTC preparation was £3.95, she felt it was too expensive and opted to only try the wet-combing technique.

 

If I had the power I would simply make everybody pay for prescriptions BUT the more you need something, the cheaper and cheaper it gets until eventually it's free. So a diabetic who is insulin dependent would be in the 'free' category quickly due to regular insulin prescriptions, whereas 22 year old Mr. Bloggs on income support, with a one-off minor infection may not want to go and get his currently free antibiotics (which might not even work) as he would need to pay.


This would filter out all those people
who go and get a prescription, even if unnecessary, simply because it is free. So asthmatics who regularly need inhalers or those on hyperthyroid drugs would therefore benefit under my proposal, but when they contract head lice, they would still have to pay for it, as should a patient with

diabetes, hypothyroidism etc. Maybe I should ask Gordon Brown for a

job!...

 

Ravi Patel MP – has a certain ring to it eh? :)



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1.  Posted by Tanya Patel, On 20/08/2009 15:02

I think the same. There are so many people who take advantage of having an exemption so they ask the doctor for what they want. I get some people who order a whole lot of stuff and then they don't even need it and return it to us and i think what a bloody waste.
A lot of people take advantage of having an exemption and i think that it is really unfair to those who have to pay £7.20 each time.


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2.  Posted by Tanya Patel, On 20/08/2009 15:02

I think the same. There are so many people who take advantage of having an exemption so they ask the doctor for what they want. I get some people who order a whole lot of stuff and then they don't even need it and return it to us and i think what a bloody waste.
A lot of people take advantage of having an exemption and i think that it is really unfair to those who have to pay £7.20 each time.


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3.  Posted by Ashley Smith, On 07/08/2009 14:34

there is so much wastage of medicine as patient returns under the nhs system because exempt people order things on repeat even if they don't need them just because they're free and might use it. If they had to initially pay for that item a number of times before it became cheaper or free and didnt need it as much maybe then they wouldnt keep ordering uneccesary items.


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Ravi's blog: An unfortunate chance encounter   09/07/2009

One Friday morning recently, while happy at work with that near-weekend feeling, I was unaware that the love of my life had been hurt. Somebody had just hit my car, which was immaculately parked a few hundred yards from the pharmacy and, I might add, with the mirrors neatly folded in.

 

I found the car wounded during my lunch break. It had a note on the windscreen from a witness with their address and mobile number. After ringing the number, the witness explained how they had seen somebody hit my car, stop briefly to view the damage, but then drive further down the street to park elsewhere without leaving any contact details. I was happy yet very lucky that the witness had made a note of the person's numberplate.

 

I called the police to explain the information, supplied the witness' contact details and left it in their capable hands. They obtained a third party statement and promptly (3 weeks later!) sent me a copy of her name, address, vehicle and insurance details.

 

Since I had been working in that pharmacy every Friday, when I was back there two days later I checked the PMR to see whether I recognised the patient since her name sounded very familiar. It turned out I had dispensed a prescription for her on the day of the accident - and also it was at around 10 o'clock when the witness said the incident happened. Putting two and two together quicker than Columbo, I obviously realised the irony!... Crashing into my car, cheekily not leaving any details, stealthily parking further away and then coming in to the pharmacy for MY help to dispense her prescription!

 

I'm not sure whether I should tell the lady it was my car she hit if I see her in the pharmacy again, or perhaps I could sit on all her medicine boxes before giving them out as a clue!



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1.  Posted by Tanya Patel, On 12/07/2009 17:05

lol,
for a minute there i thought you were talking about ur girlfriend lol!
i think u shud tell her it waz ur car, i can just imagine the look on her face!!!
Keep up wid ur blog, gotta 2 say it puts a smile 2 my face!!


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2.  Posted by Anjalee Gokool, On 10/07/2009 18:42

Hiya,
I hope the love of your life is ok now. Indeed, you have a good sense of humour, i love the last sentence. Have a nice week end.
cheers


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3.  Posted by Akbar Aslam, On 09/07/2009 19:11

Very lucky. Ravi, I hope C&D keep you on. Great articles, fellow liverpool supporter and a good sense of humour...good luck for the future.


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Ravi's blog: A question of safety   22/06/2009

Why do patients seem to hate being asked questions when buying OTC products, when you're only asking them as a precaution to protect their own health?

I’ve mentioned the importance of gauging OTC requests in a previous rant - sorry, I mean blog - but it can sometimes actually be the patient's fault if an unsuitable recommendation is made. Only today did a lady come in and ask the counter assistant for some One-A-Night Nytol. The counter assistant asked the relevant questions (or, more correctly, tried to ask the relevant questions) but was cut off mid-sentence each time, with "Oh, I always use it!", "Yes, yes it's fine", "I've used it for years and years", etc... 

I interrupted the conversation with my recommendation for her to maybe speak to her GP about her sleeplessness since she has the tablets “all the time". She then claimed she had only meant to express that she has used them before and did not want to be quizzed further and did not use them often...Hmmm.

 

I appreciate that if you do something regularly it may be irritating to hear precautionary questions each time, but we do it for other things with no qualms, so why not when buying medicine? For example, when checking in to a flight you could have had your Gran pack your bag as far as they're concerned but you still make a conscious effort to fully listen to and understand the importance of the questions being asked. Nobody likes to hear the same old questions but you comply and answer them correctly, understanding it is for your own safety.

 

Could you imagine if the next time you took a flight your questions and answers with the check-in assistant followed the same lines as some OTC sales?
“And have you packed your bags yourself?”
“Yeah, yeah, yeah"
“And are you carrying any dangero...”
“Yeah, yeah, yeah, I regularly travel thanks”
“Has anybody given you anything to hol...”
“No need to ask, I know what I'm doing thanks” etc.
It just wouldn’t wash! You’d probably end up in a hidden room with a cavity search!

 

But anyway, back to pharmacy, my point is that questions asked to the public when buying P medicines are probably some of the most important questions they'll face, yet a significant number really do not want to hear them or they lie, and that may prevent us from correctly gauging any possible interactions or dangers.



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1.  Posted by Stephen Griffiths, On 29/06/2009 09:08

I fully agree that a significant number of patients have already decided which product they want, and resent any suggestion that it might not be suitable for them. I am reminded of the case of an elderly lady who went into respiratory depression a couple of days after starting diclofenac. How? She had been taking prescribed co-codamol 30/500 beforehand without problems, but the diclofenac reduced her renal function enough to cause accumulation of the codeine. You can't be too careful!


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2.  Posted by Brendan Kilgallon, On 25/06/2009 18:31

Finally I find a pharmacist with the same commitment to maintaining standards whilst battling against grumpy customers. Keep on asking those important questions!

Well done Ravi


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3.  Posted by Brendan Kilgallon, On 25/06/2009 18:31

Finally I find a pharmacist with the same commitment to maintaining standards whilst battling against grumpy customers. Keep on asking those important questions!

Well done Ravi


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Ravi's blog: Easy access to POMs abroad   02/06/2009

 

Having just got back from a stag weekend in Valencia, I realised just how easy it can be to purchase POM medicines in other countries.

I have come across quite a few people while working in pharmacies who have bought medication abroad on holiday after feeling ill or suffering pain and wanted to buy more upon returning to the UK, only to have me tell them they're only available on prescription.

My friend who suffers from pretty bad hayfever usually has Telfast (fexofenadine) prescribed in the UK. Having left it here (obviously prioritising his sunglasses and Resolve over his prescribed medication), his allergies flared up when we got there. I went with him to the local pharmacy to see what 'emergency supply' they could help with, but instead, with no hesitation whatsoever (almost as if buying a box of tissues), they let him have the Telfast.

I put it partly down to luck that he didn't have much trouble in obtaining it. After a night out, however, he lost that box! We had to then go to another pharmacy the following day and it seemed we were 'lucky' again - the pharmacist just asked what strength, then fetched it from the dispensary and handed it over.

I'm not sure whether it was pot luck twice or whether it really was that easy to obtain POM medicines abroad? Thinking back, maybe I should've bought some Tamiflu out there!



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1.  Posted by Tariq Atchia, On 04/06/2009 19:02

In many countries, you can buy Inderal over the counter! I just got back from the UAE and Amoxil was on sale in the hotel gift shop. Alongside Ponstan and several other UK POMs. Over in the USA, you can buy naproxen and omeprazole (20mg as well) off the shelf in Wal Mart. Perhaps it is our country that is lagging behind?


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Ravi's blog: Can dogs get swine flu?   14/05/2009

A lady came in to the pharmacy today and asked the counter assistant whether she could talk to me about swine flu. She looked deeply concerned but not, as I later found out, for herself but for her dog. Yes, her dog.

 

She explained to me that she was very worried that her dog may contract the infectious disease and wanted to give it something to boost its immune system. It’s the kind of thing someone says when pulling your leg, but she was serious.

 

I was speechless. Swine flu has caused enough commotion, but could you imagine if there was a sudden emergence of ‘dog flu’ too! Anyway, explaining that it was very unlikely (bordering on impossible) for her dog to contract swine flu any time soon, I eased her concerns.

 

Here in the UK, as I type we have 68 confirmed cases of the infamous swine flu out of a 61,000,000 population. I know on a global scale it is a pretty serious infection, but here in the UK, nobody has died from it and many have recovered without any need for medication.

 

In fact, given the current stats, you’re more likely to die from being struck by a meteorite than you are from swine flu, yet I am constantly asked if the pharmacy has any face masks or Tamiflu for sale. Every pharmacy I have recently worked in seemed to have sold out of these masks but I’m yet to see anybody wearing one on the street…who is hoarding them??

 

Personally I feel the new Department of Health’s message for the public should : catch it, bin it, kill it and calm down.



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1.  Posted by Tanya Patel, On 16/05/2009 23:24

there are more and more bizarre people out there!!!


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2.  Posted by jaspreet gallon, On 15/05/2009 22:30

Ravi...you are so amazing and right. Ive had so many people asking for dust masks and I redirect them to B&Q, but apparently theres no point of getting them because the person would have to change them every two hours to be affective, thats 12 masks in 24 hours...!
I think you are an amazing pharmacist and a great mentor to all man kind Ravi Patel!!!! Im so proud to see your blogs on C&D! XXX


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Ravi's blog: A difficult conversation   27/04/2009

Every month seems to bring with it another restriction on selling products to children. Products that have been on the market for years but are then suddenly restricted because of 'safety issues'.

 

I have found that explaining the reasons to a concerned and/or angry mother is not an easy task. No matter which pharmacy I am in, I'm sure to find a parent wanting to buy something for their child that has now been restricted, whether it’s Medised, CalCold, Tixylix or Benylin for Children.

 

The reason I bring this up is because only last week we had the largest age restriction increase – for Bonjela! One mother had come in to buy some Bonjela for her 11-month-old baby daughter after the restriction alert. She claimed that she had used it on her son two years ago when he was only 6 months old (which was OK, since its licence up until last week was for anybody above the age of 4 months).

 

I had to inform her that the minimum age restriction had now been moved up from 4 months to 16 years because of safety concerns. "16!!" she exclaimed in disbelief. How can you truly justify this decision (which appears to be an afterthought) to a parent who has been using the product on their 6-month-old baby up until now?

 

Last year, during my pre-reg year, I remember a bulletin that came out restricting Medised (originally for babies of 3 months plus, being increased to only use in children over 2 years old). A mother had come in and asked for Medised for her baby, whom she'd being giving it to for cold symptoms since it was 3 months old.

 

We then had to inform her that we could no longer sell it to her for that baby nor should she give it until they were at least two years old. She was quite angry that these 'tests' and 'safety risks' had not been concluded beforehand, and was deeply concerned for her baby's health.

 

My tutor tried to explain but the mother (understandably) wasn’t willing to accept or forgive the fact that these safety concerns were not sorted out prior to marketing the product. She also felt the manufacturers had not given sufficient reassurances after the changes had been made and left very irate.

 

I wouldn't want to have been the person that told her this year that she can no longer use it for that same child until they are now 6 years old!



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1.  Posted by Anjalee Gokool, On 01/05/2009 09:05

Bonjela??? its so weird, what safety issues they mean? Pharmacists have to cope with angry customers. Its so difficult to make then understand. I still remember, a locum pharmacist had to talk to a customer for 45 mins and explaining about the regulation change for the coughs and cold. Honestly, even after 45 mins, I had feeling she did not understand anything.

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Ravi's blog: Are we just a safety net?   14/04/2009

I received a prescription last week for amoxicillin 500mg (Take ONE capsule FOUR times a day, an hour BEFORE food). It was for a middle-aged male patient who had a typical chesty cough and was on no other medication.

 

As, I am sure, other pharmacists out there would, I recognised this as a common flucloxacillin/phenoxymethylpenicillin dose as opposed to one for amoxicillin, especially since it does not need to be taken on an empty stomach and has a licensed maximum dose of ‘500mg x three times daily’.

 

Although I knew this dose would probably not cause harm to the patient but, because it is unlicensed, I thought to call the doctor for confirmation. I thought I was merely being helpful just in case the dose was not intended for amoxicillin, therefore giving the prescriber a chance to alter the dose if need be, before being dispensed.

 

Upon calling the surgery, the receptionist filled the doctor in on my query and transferred me through. I explained to the doctor that I just wanted to check he was happy with the dose prescribed to which he replied: “Well that’s what it says on the prescription doesn’t it…?”

 

I explained that the dosage interval and direction ‘before food’ seemed like a clue that it may not have been intended for amoxicillin, to which I was told: “All antibiotics work better on an empty stomach; why don’t pharmacists just dispense what is being asked?”

 

Of course I was a little taken back but it was only after the conversation had ended that I got irate thinking about my intentions and the responses I was given - a little cooperation and a little less arrogance would not have gone astray!

 

It just seems that in community pharmacy this hierarchy difference between doctors and pharmacists is more apparent. When I temporarily worked within the hospital sector, there seemed more of a sense that doctors were acknowledged as being experts in diagnosis/prognosis and pharmacists as experts in medicines. They worked together to give the best patient treatment. The doctors asked the pharmacists what medicine to prescribe for that certain diagnosis.

 

However, in community it seems like the doctors are the best in both fields and perhaps the pharmacist is best used simply as the safety net if an overdose/erroneous dose slips through?



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1.  Posted by Stephen Griffiths, On 01/06/2009 10:23

Having had several dental scripts for Amoxicillin QDS, I coomented on it to my own dentist at a recent check up. He didn't seemed surprised & informed me that he had only one half-day on prescribing in the whole of his training. In his case that was 25+ years ago: but has anything changed?


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2.  Posted by David Moore, On 21/04/2009 18:28

I'm always curious as to why dentists seem to prescribe Amoxycillin with a QDS dosage. Wherever I locum, I can almost guarantee a rummage through the filed scripts draw will reveal a dental script like this, although I'll admit, I hadn't thought about this being unlicensed.


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3.  Posted by Kuldeep Singh, On 15/04/2009 09:11

I think the doctor must have had other pharmacists constantly querying his personal amoxicillin prescribing habit in the past which annoys him . It might look like pharmacist are questioning their authority but that is not the case since it is pharmacists duty to contact the prescriber on all unlicensed doses, no matter what the drug to confirm.


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Ravi's blog: Losing my crown   31/03/2009

Good luck to all those who entered this year's C+D awards! I am judging the Pre-Reg of the Year entries this week, so if you're in that category, you still have time to send me your cash before I make any decisions. I accept BACS, CHAPS or cheque...

 

Shame I won't be holding this 'Pre-Reg of the Year' title for much longer!



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Ravi's blog: Wait a minute!   19/03/2009

A small observation I've made while working in various pharmacies (which makes me laugh more than anything) is the universal waiting time for all prescriptions as quoted by counter staff.

 

Whether it's a pharmacy in Southampton or London, a small independent or multiple, the phrase "oh, that will be 5 to 10 minutes" is ubiquitous. Without knowing pack sizes, which drugs are in special containers and so forth, you’d expect them to ask how long it will take, before informing the patient that "it will take 5 to 10 minutes".

 

You’d really be surprised as to how many times I’ve experienced this in different pharmacies - whether it is a single item or a whole page, it seems that it will still take 5 to 10minutes.

 

However, in their defence, I believe that it is because giving a processing time of anything longer would upset the patient, and this leads me on to what really bothers me, which is when patients tell ME how long it will take!

 

I’m not talking about the "oh, it’s just an inhaler so it won’t take you a minute" (regardless of how many prescriptions may be ahead of them) patients, but the ones who give you a time limit. They patiently wait in the surgery to see the doctor, patiently wait for their repeat slip to turn into a prescription and then patiently wait to collect their prescription in the surgery queue, but as soon as they enter the pharmacy it turns into the Crystal Maze! Waiting more than 5 minutes in a pharmacy will surely lead them to be locked in!

 

This story is God’s honest truth and if the staff at this particular pharmacy are reading this, they’ll no doubt remember. One middle-aged lady brought in a prescription for a few items, nothing major, the usual fast-movers. However, it was 4:30pm and extremely busy and herds of people were waiting for their prescriptions. The pharmacy looked like an auction hall. I informed her that it would take around 25 to 30 minutes before being able to process her prescription and recommended that she come back. She refused to believe me and told me that I was wrong and that it would not take that long. With a smile I assured her it would definitely take more than 20 minutes judging by the queue, but she still refused believe me (as if she’d be coming into the dispensary to dispense it herself).

 

Ultimately, it did take 25 minutes :) Aaah the joys of being right.



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1.  Posted by mike harvey, On 16/04/2009 16:52

You need a notice like this Drugs are not like Groceries
Sometimes, when we are very busy, you may have to wait some time before your prescription is dispensed. Medicines have power to do you much good but can also be
harmful in some circumstances.
Part of our job is to make sure, along with your doctor, that your prescription is suitable
for you, so we do a lot of checks on your medicines before they are handed to you.
We keep a record of all your prescriptions on our computer to help us.
Sometimes we have to telephone someone's doctor, and occasionally a hospital, about
their medicines.
Often, people will ask our advice in the pharmacy, or will telephone to speak to the
pharmacist. There may be complicated problems with medicines for patients in care
homes or nursing homes. We are always pleased to help.
However, all these things take time. This is why you may have to wait a while for your
medicines.
The Resident Pharmacy Staff Here
mike harvey sussex


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2.  Posted by Administrator admin, On 23/03/2009 14:15

1. Posted by Anthony Chape, On 23/03/2009 07:22

At Christmas we had a day of 30-40 minute waits, but a multiple nearby was taking 2 hours. Some shop when after 3.30pm, they couldn't guarentee dipensing iems the same day. Needless to say, the customers who huffed and puffed at our original 30-40 minute wait were quite happy after their walk to the multiple and back again. Someday someone will value us, but I'm not sure when..... !


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3.  Posted by Ashley Smith, On 21/03/2009 20:18

hehe this is all so true!! you're blogs are great. If pharmacy doesn't work out you'll surely have journalism to fall back on.


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4.  Posted by Sachin Badiani, On 19/03/2009 21:38

I like your blog postings Ravi!

How would one go about phrasing a little notice for patients about waiting times for prescriptions, and or if they want to speak to the pharmacist? I'm looking for being polite, yet firm notice - not too patronising - which patients will try and take heed of.

We had a notice once in one of our pharmacies saying: "We endevour to complete your prescription as quickly as possible, but when the pharmacy is busy, your prescription may take more than 20 minutes." all in large font size. How can we make this notice friendlier, yet take away the bit where it says as quickly as possible, because we expect patients to know that we don't want to keep them waiting if we can help it?

Sachin


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5.  Posted by Teelanjalee Gokool, On 19/03/2009 18:56

Lol, you right! If they can wait for so many things, y cannot they wait patiently in the pharmacy? The pharmacists and dispensers are doing their best to complete the job.

It reminds of my first summer placement, where an old lady was rude to me because I did not dispense her amlodine tablets. She was in a hurry, as she was going to miss her bus.

I explained to her that we got a lot of prescriptions and its gonna take atleast 15 mins. But no!!! She was like' If you dnt do it, Im going to another pharmacy' *in a very patronising way*.

On the other hand, there are nice customers. Even, if I told them, 20 mins and it was not ready, they would wait quietly. I wish all the customers were very nice, understanding!!


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Ravi's blog: Give me a break   03/03/2009

Why can't prepared and bagged up prescriptions be given out when the pharmacist is on lunch??

It seems a pharmacist can work a 12-hour shift and not have a proper break, while other staff that work fewer hours are entitled to two half-hour breaks. Even when you're eating, managers can still insist that you come out to check prescriptions or answer to patient queries, which can mean you don't even sit down for more than two minutes before getting up again to work.

Obviously, I understand that it is our duty to be available to assist with queries and prescriptions during opening hours and that PCTs specify the hours for which full pharmacy services should be operating from a pharmacy, but don't pharmacists need a sufficient break? After all, the patients who moan that they shouldn't have to wait for a pharmacist to finish a break would be the first to complain if a mistake was caused due to a lack of one.

I remember a day last year, when I was still a pre-reg, my tutor had popped out to grab some lunch when a patient returned to collect their prescription. They had been in the day before at the same time (between
1-2pm) and was again given the answer that a pharmacist needed to be on the premises for the prescription to be given out, even though it was waiting on the shelf. The patient replied: "but the pharmacist had lunch yesterday"!

The reply obviously annoyed me, as pharmacists also deserve breaks, but it was also slightly irritating that even if my tutor was on the premises, the prescription would have been handed out by counter-staff with no extra re-checks by the pharmacist anyway.

I know I've blended two rants here, but both the lunch break and handing out of prescriptions are closely tied issues. Does anyone else share my thoughts or am I just being cranky after not having a sufficient lunch?



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1.  Posted by Faraz Khan, On 19/07/2009 23:54

Reading the Drug Tariff ( as one does ) ; medicines must be supplied in a 'reasonable time ' as per contract. The onus is on the contractor to support their pharmacist with sufficient technical support at busy times .


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2.  Posted by Faez Khan, On 15/07/2009 07:02

This waiting time issue deserves some serious thought- We have the 'responsible pharmacist' role to fulfill in the near future so the onus for checking prescriptions is more heavily on the pharmacist. It is annoying for customers to wait without being told of a realistic time. But the system must be geared to safety first. Staff in general are poorly trained by multiples in this issue. There is much long-standing ignorance amongst the public also with regard to prescription dispensing. The governing bodies (new and old), from superintendents to Pharmaceutical bodies,should enable a framework which makes implementation of safe and fair waiting times a priority. Each one of us must do their bit to change public perception of our role.


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3.  Posted by Tariq Atchia, On 16/03/2009 13:03

RE. Anne's comment about deliverys after hours - I was always under the impression that deliverys to a patient's home after the pharmacy is closed is not legal - I'm not sure that your assistant would be able to claim to be the patient's representative...?


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4.  Posted by Linda Jones, On 09/03/2009 10:14

Lol, I'm sure we've all shared that cranky feeling due to rushed lunch 'breaks'. On the subject of lunch breaks, when I had temporarily left the shop during the lunch period, the counter staff had informed me on my arrival that they had to refer a patient to the petrol station opposite the road to buy a pack of 16 paracetamol, since they could not even sell GSL without my present on the premises. How ridiculous has the law been so far on GSLs even not being allowed to be sold if the pharmacist leaves for a short while, when the petrol station can.


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5.  Posted by umesh dholakia, On 08/03/2009 15:32

Sounds like rafa type rant to me,maybe you are just cranky due to liverpool's premership challenge falters for another season! but i agreed with what you say, not having a proper lunch break is never good for the pharmacist or customer's but maybe it will change if the responsible pharmacist law change comes into play but only during the pharmacist absences then we might be able to have a two hour lunch break at the local pub with other pharmacists and answer any queries on the mobile! since will be on pharmacy business. p.s. only joking


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6.  Posted by Anne Gavin, On 05/03/2009 19:02

Why is it I can get a staff member to deliver a bagged up medicine to someone's house when the shop is shut but I can't allow a member of staff to hand out bagged up repeat medicines over the counter in my lunch break? Never made any sense to me.


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Ravi's blog: Busy, busy   25/02/2009

I don't know about anyone else, but did last week seem busier than ever?! Usually during half term things quieten down slightly. My theory is that the recession has prevented people going away on short breaks and holidays this year...



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Ravi's blog: The best things?   12/02/2009

I managed to infuriate a difficult patient today. She had handed in a three page prescription (which she insisted on waiting for) and was told the waiting time would be approximately 10-15 minutes by the counter-staff - the norm I’d say for such a large waiting script.

 

Anyway, stock was taken out, correct quantities made up and labelled. But this takes time and meanwhile another patient had come in with a one item prescription for 100 x paracetamol tablets. The dispenser picked it off the shelf, labelled the box and gave it to me to check, which took no time, especially since I knew it was a repeat item. This was obviously given out fairly quickly, but the first waiting patient seemed to think this was utterly unfair!

 

I wonder if, when she’s standing in McDonalds, she would complain if her massive family-feast order was given out later than a second customer’s one cheeseburger order?? Who else agrees with what I chose to do? Who believes the dispensed prescription for the paracetamol should have been kept waiting on the side, already checked, just to be given out after the first had been completed, no matter how long it took...?



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1.  Posted by uzma sheikh, On 14/02/2009 19:15

hey, Ive been reading your 'life as a pharmacist' and it looks as though i have loads of lafs on the way...yeh I'm a student, (2nd year)

hope you get to post up some or your better meetings with patients...if any?


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2.  Posted by Tariq Atchia, On 12/02/2009 22:05

Sounds like you did the right thing - explain to the patient presenting the 'bench-blocker' that prescripions are checked and handed out in the order in which they are presented for checking by dispensing staff. It's hardly your fault that she needs three pages of medication to keep her alive. :|


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Ravi's blog: Caught by the fuzz   03/02/2009

As I sipped my first cup of tea of the day, preparing for the usual work ahead, little did I know this day was going to be anything other than average!

 

It turns out the police had called the pharmacy minutes beforehand, explaining that they were trying to locate one of our regular patients in connection with a serious crime. They requested that we try and keep the patient busy in the pharmacy so they could hurry down and make an arrest.

 

We waited and waited and finally at around 4pm, the suspect arrived. I asked the patient to wait in the consultation room while I prepared their meds. The dispenser began the mission and called the police. After exhausting all possible excuses for further delay, I entered the consultation room and supervised the patient’s consumption. Further procrastination killed a few more minutes, but that was all that was needed, as I saw two police cars pull up outside, through the blinds, and one officer rush out. Unfortunately, so did the suspect.

 

The patient bolted like a greyhound! Like something out of the A-Team, the scene was chaotic! After treading on my foot (which I wasn’t impressed with), the suspect ran out into the dispensary knocking over ALL the stock that had arrived in the afternoon order (and which had been neatly piled on the side) and made for the back door, amid shouts off: “I ain’t done nothing.” It was hard not to acknowledge the amusing double-negative, but I don’t think the police shared the same view.

 

Anyway, after a frantic police chase around the car park, they finally got their suspect. Who would want to resume checking dosette boxes after that?!



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1.  Posted by Shafiq Shah, On 14/02/2009 12:15

I;m with Ravi on this one. I think we just have to protect ourselves the best. We can't expect to have special police protection. Banks and big businesses have security guards because they can afford them unfortunately for a lot of small independents this is not a economically feasible option.


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2.  Posted by jyoti shah, On 12/02/2009 11:47

I agree with Dhimant Patel. Actually the police are very slow when it comes to protecting you when needed. I worked in a small community pharmacy which was robbed several times.Even when it was fitted with an alarm with direct contact to the police station, the response time of the polce was very very slow.Banks and big business are protected by security guards etc. Small independent pharmacies have few resources.


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3.  Posted by Ravi Patel, On 09/02/2009 17:20

To Dhimant Patel's response: His arrest was irrespective of his presence in the pharmacy, so there is
no reason for him to avenge anything even if he was released at a later
date. I agree pharmacy staff are at a security risk, but I personally
believe no more than many other businesses, such as banks, post offices,
petrol stations, convenience stores and so forth. Surely we can't command
regular protection beyond normal means (panic alarms, CCTV etc), when any
business is susceptible to armed robbery and staff-intimidation. Wouldn't people agree?


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4.  Posted by Dhimant Patel, On 08/02/2009 08:27

What will happen when the suspect is released by the police after a brief interview and he then comes to Ravi's pharmacy for his next dose? Will he help Ravi close the shop on a cold, dark, wet and foggy winter night or will Ravi get a dose from the Suspect and Co. Will he continue to be Ravi's regular patient? If not then it will be another loss of income in addition to category M cuts. We need more regular protection.
DP


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Ravi's Blog: Why did so many people vote against the Pill?   19/01/2009

Did anybody see C+D’s previous opinion poll on making the contraceptive pill available as a P medicine? Around half the votes opposed the proposal and I just wanted to know why so many people were against it?

After all, making ‘The Pill’ a P medicine would not mean it would be available OTC just as easily as purchasing a pack of Nurofen - it would be through the pharmacist, just as Levonelle is currently.

Since the C+D site is probably accessed primarily by pharmacists, pharmacy staff and other members of the pharmacy profession, it was surprising to see so many people against it. Surely it is a good idea to reduce GP appointments of women simply wanting to obtain a prescription for contraception when pharmacists today are in just as good a position to advise on appropriate contraception and ‘pills’, especially when enhanced with any further training. This would create further accessibility to GPs for patients with other medical conditions or concerns.

I had expected the poll to conclude with around 75% in favour and 25% against, but this was not the case. In fact for many days those against the proposal were in the majority. What aspect of this pharmacy service is being perceived negatively?



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1.  Posted by Shafiq Shah, On 14/02/2009 12:18

I wonder why people don't get a repeat authorisation for the pill.


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2.  Posted by Kuldeep Singh, On 28/01/2009 09:21

Some people who can't get to their GP to obtain a prescription for a repeat batch of their pill, or are too busy to do so, are still having unprotected intercourse, knowing the Morning After Pill is available from a pharmacist! So why not solve the problem which is to allow normal contraception to be obtained from a pharmacist, and therefore not have to solve the 'symptoms' of the problem by allowing pharmacies to only provide EHC.


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3.  Posted by Linda Jones, On 27/01/2009 22:09

I was actually wondering the same thing as Ravi. As a pharmacist I personally feel that with further training and an accreditation on this, we would be able to help reduce GP waiting lists and help patient's obtain their contraception easier. It is true that risks of embolism, migraine etc all have to be considered when issuing 'the pill' for the first time, but usually there are no physical tests (well none that I had when I was prescribed some). Therefore such questioning is trainable. Even when GPs have prescribed a certain contraceptive pill for a patient, they may well be changed to another one due to reasons such side effects, which are only discovered afterwards. If the negativity is due to healthcare members, including other pharmacists, not considering pharmacists are capable of choosing an appropriate contraceptive pill for a patient, how about letting the GP make the initial consideration on which preparation is best, and then allowing the patient to go to a pharmacy to purchase a 'repeat' dispensing without needing to waste GP appointments to obtain a script?

Also I think there may have been confusion over "making ‘the pill’ a 'P' medicine" part, which could have been the cause of a 50 50 split in views. Levonelle is a 'P' medicine, which just means that it can be bought from a pharmacy. It does not specify how much restriction is still placed on it, i.e. whether a pharmacist need to have a thorough consultation with the patient beforehand, including tests or not. It does not mean it suddenly shares the same fate as a pack of 32 paracetamol, although both are 'P'. So making 'the pill' a P medicine would not mean it shall suddenly become readily accessible, just that it does not necessarily have to be obtained via a prescription.


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Ravi's blog: The date the multiples fear   19/12/2008

Rumour has it pharmacy multiples are feeling panicked over Saturday 27th December. The date sits nicely between two national holidays and a restful Sunday 28th December. I think the thought of how many people will call in 'sick', on top of those who may actually still be hungover after a very merry Christmas, is making the big companies feel a little nauseous themselves. So locums, be ready for your phone calls!

 

This obviously links in with government’s plan to change the current system from needing to obtain a doctor's note to confirm you are unfit to work, in a case of illness, with a proposal for having to get a doctor's note to show that you are fit enough to continue to go to work, or indeed work from home in some instances. Anyone got any ideas how this will affect pharmacy?



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1.  Posted by Shafiq Shah, On 20/12/2008 12:55

I personally don't think that this should affect us too much. After all if we just see it as any other day and treat it the same we shouldn't have any problems. I think management do need to have a 'Plan B' just in case people phone in sick or don't turn up but saying this staff should be responsible enough to realise the implication of them not turning in and the potential it has to affect the service that we offer to the public.


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Ravi's blog: Good pharmacist or good locum - it seems you can't always have both   05/12/2008

 

I am increasingly beginning to realise that sometimes being a ‘bad’ pharmacist can indirectly be a factor in whether support staff regard you as a good locum.

 

 

My statement can be explained through examples I've heard about in talking to other locums. Apparently, there have been occasions where staff were happier if the locum DIDN'T ask for certain things. For example: requesting child-resistant caps for all antibiotic bottles; labels with directions placed onto tubes of cream rather than boxes; and even verifying ID and asking for a request letter when a methadone patient wishes to collect their partner's methadone installment along with theirs.

 

In my own experience, there have definitely been times when I felt pressured to ignore proper procedures in order to maintain rapport with staff and, ultimately, feel more confident of being hired again!

 

Do any other pharmacists have any thoughts on this, or do any support staff want to share their views?



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Ravi's blog: Can you trust your pharmacy?   19/11/2008

Things seem to be going from bad to worse. Today, a gentleman came in the pharmacy to buy something for his cold. He requested Day & Night nurse. I was luckily listening to the counter staff’s conversation, where she asked whether he had taken it before, and he replied "yes, once", so she was happy. She then began tilling up one packet of Day Nurse, one packet of Night Nurse and a capsule pack of Day & Night Nurse. I stepped in explaining to the gentleman that he was not allowed to buy them all in one go, and routinely questioned what medication he was on. I discovered he was taking 5 different blood-pressure lowering tablets!

Now this sort of thing is undoubtedly occurring across the country in various pharmacies, where counter staff may need extra instructions on sales of P medicines and further training on interactions. The Which? report that was published on this topic and a centre-page spread I read in a newspaper two weeks ago - 'Can you trust your Pharmacist?' - is sending the wrong message to the public. A more understandable title could have been: 'Can you trust your Pharmacy?'. The point I’m making here is that more research needs to be done on WHO was asked when these random studies were being carried out. If the pharmacist was actually asked personally, would the results have been the same? If these inspectors went into surgeries and began giving medical queries to the receptionists, would they go back and write an account from the answers with reports titled 'Can you trust your Doctor?'



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1.  Posted by Ravi Patel, On 17/12/2008 22:18

Thanks for the replies…

Andrew - I'm glad you feel like that too, as it is crucial that all pharmacists take these kind of 'attacks' to the profession seriously, as it will only just halt the evolution of community pharmacists taking on more clinical roles and/or simply break future patient-pharmacist trust.

S Shah - You are also right, but you can't forget that even if certain technicians are fully trained, the ultimate responsibility for any mistakes, at present, still lies with the pharmacist, and so it's inevitable that you will have some pharmacists that would not want to leave the dispensary in order to feel more confident and oversee the dispensing.

Wei Soo Lee - Indeed such titles are unfair, but at the end of the day the 'mystery shoppers' were only looking to here the questions we are always supposed to ask when selling GSL and P medicines, as Daniel mentioned, WWHAM . If everyone had followed the simple protocol, and referred when unsure, they wouldn’t have been able to write what they wrote. But obviously the title itself in this case was unfair!


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2.  Posted by Daniel M B, On 30/11/2008 23:26

I read that two-page article in the newspaper too! It was back in mid-october, and I remember fuming! I think what Ravi is saying is right, in that it did not mention who was asked, just which pharmacies pass or failed their tests. One test was for OTC hydrocortisone cream, and it was sold in 4/5 pharmacies without directly questioning whether or not it was for the face or someone under 10 years old. It's not good enough for "have you had it before" to be the only question and WWHAM should always be carried out.


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3.  Posted by Wei Soo Lee, On 30/11/2008 16:09

That is totally a unfair to set such a title to the public. Such message should be stopped!
Training of counter assistants or dispensers' knowledge is one thing,continual and consistant application of knowledge is another. I believe all, or at least most of the counter staffs or dispensers are trained before they serve the customers but to use what they have learnt is another matter, especially in a very busy environment. However, safety of customer is the priority and i believe every pharamcists crave this into thier mind and soul.

All the pharmacy staffs therefore should be extreamely aware of their limitation and refer to pharmacist if not sure about anything since the pharamcist cant be watching over millions things at the same time. Besides, utilise your skills!


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4.  Posted by Purvi Mehta, On 30/11/2008 16:06

The practice of inundating counter staff with a series of several outdated mudules in the hope of equiping them with the necessary OTC selling skills might not be sufficient in training them to the highest possible standards. Instead pharmacies should offer continuous training and support to staff on the sale of both OTC and GSL medicines in the form of regular interactive team meetings and feedback sessions, inorder to update their knowledge and skills and boost their confidence in selling responsibly.


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5.  Posted by s shah, On 30/11/2008 15:16

during my work as locum i have come across many incidences where ravi's comments apply.i still don't understand that in this day and age where you've got trained dispensers/tech , the pharmacist is still hidden in the dispensary !!. the counter assistants on the other hand are advising after just a few modules(some people call comprehensive training !! ). i believe that even if which? had a bigger sample tested then that would have provided the same results.Any one want to challenge me ??


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6.  Posted by Hamde Nazar, On 27/11/2008 21:28

Now that's the next mission for Which?: Investigate the over-qualified receptionists within doctors' surgerys who can tell an enquiring pharmacist the answer to his clinical question; since a patient may be correctly prescribed just the one amoxicillin capsule for the plausibly obvious reason that she is pregnant!
Their attempts to guard the iron-wrought gates of the, often very reasonable and communicative, clinician, with their unfounded diagnosis and reasoning, leave those on the recieving end baffled at their over-protective arrogance and demonstrations of ignorance.
The comparison is not equivalent, however, since counter staff should really be suffiently healthcare trained. What should be identifed as a key issue is that there is the assurance that further help, advice and supervision is provided when the limits of, sometimes only 6 months of modular workbooks for counter training, are tested and exceeded in the care of the patient.


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7.  Posted by Andrew Low, On 22/11/2008 21:53

That's good to hear that you take the Which? report seriously,one has to be really careful abour what we are supplying across the counter.
Andrew Low


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Ravi's Blog: A bad day   04/11/2008

A few days ago I went to an unfamiliar pharmacy near Portsmouth. After sitting in almost endless Monday morning traffic, I finally arrived. I parked the car and made my way to the pharmacy only to be welcomed by a seagull or some other kind of massive bird (possibly genetically modified), which decided to lay its excrement on my head!

Introducing myself with faeces on my ear, I swiftly headed for the sink to clean it off. 9:10am – only 10 minutes in and I could tell things were not going to end well for me – probably just what Chelsea must’ve felt a couple of Sundays ago. Anyway, the dispenser welcomed me to the most amount of methadone scripts I have ever seen. Though weekly-dispensing, they were all coming in to collect today.

 

The first supervised patient arrived, I dispensed the methadone and took it into the consultation room where I asked the patient to confirm his address. He stared blankly for a good 15 seconds before remembering it. Dubious, I asked for extra ID, which checked out. Half way through drinking the methadone he started laughing uncontrollably, spewing a green mist onto my face, white shirt and tie!! He claimed he found it funny that he’d initially forgotten his address. I didn’t say a word. I opened the door for him, wiped it out off my forehead and headed back to the sink to clean myself up...again. I’m glad the staff managed to see a funny side to this saga...



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1.  Posted by Ravi Patel, On 17/12/2008 20:57

Ha, thanks Hamde, phrasing "a drug-addict's methadone spit" as a "nebulised opioid agonist" was much nicer!


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2.  Posted by Hamde Nazar, On 27/11/2008 21:54

A day in the life of......
Nothing quite like avian 'flu and nebulised opioid agonists that accompanies a career in healthcare!
It provides variety to Gladys and her blood pressure tablets coping with her husband on his 'special' tablets!
You see and hear it all, even if you wish you didn't, someone will sure enough tell you all about it!


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Ravi's Blog: Locum agency ratings   23/10/2008

A lot of my pharmacist friends who live outside London are always asking me about locum rates in the City. The truth is, unlike most other industries, the hourly rate for a locum pharmacist seems to be much less within Greater London due to large supply of pharmacists living within the M25.

I know the C+D have done a survey on locum salaries, but they forgot to mention a key factor influencing rates - locum agencies! Most, if not all, locums sign up to a variety of agencies to ensure they get as many available offers as possible across a wider area. However, what they may not realise is the financial motives for some locum agencies compared with others.

It can be in the best interest for some agencies to provide the locum with the lowest possible rate they would accept. This allows the agency to take the difference between the locum’s minimum acceptable rate and what is actually offered by the pharmacy contractor as their agency commission. This makes it free for the contractors to use the agency to book locums, and therefore more favourable.

Other agencies work by charging a fixed amount to the contractor for placing a booking, and therefore work to get the locum the best possible rate, as it would not cut into their commission scheme.

I use different agencies. My personal favourite have demonstrated that they work to get me the best rate offered, as my rate does not affect their commission. I know this because I had two offers for working in the same pharmacy for the next day as emergency cover and one agency, which I will not name, informed me that the best possible rate the contractor was offering was £23/hour, whereas my preferred agency informed me at the same time that the contractor was actually offering £27/hour.

So it is prudent to recognise the fact that differences between agency commission schemes exist; one may provide you with more offers with lower rates, as it favours contractors, whereas others may provide fewer offers but with higher rates.



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1.  Posted by Michail Chatzakis, On 12/11/2010 01:22

Hi!
I'm also a locum that recently moved to London. Could you please let me know which are the GOOD agencies for London? If you could email me at mike1821@hotmail.com would be great.
Thanks a lot!!!


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2.  Posted by Piers Berry, On 28/01/2009 15:14

Am loving your blog!!! Even though I am slightly older than your target audience....

There are other ways of finding locum work, word of mouth has always been the best way, but agencies have a place as well as ringing around and now the web. I have set up a website for locums to gain information that they miss out on www.locumrelief.co.uk have a look and see what you think. There is a calender attached to keep yourself organised and any free days go directly into a classified search area.
I hope that the website can help my fellow locums including yourself.


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Ravi's Blog: Getting the locum habit   09/10/2008

 

I've now been qualified for just under two months. I've been locuming for various pharmacies, ranging from small independent village ones to the Harrods Pharmacy, Knightsbridge. My advice to those awaiting their results, after sitting the September Pre-reg exam, is not to be scared from doing the same due to lack of experience; the training year prepares us well. The different computer systems aren't hard to grasp either, and can be picked up pretty quickly. I've loved seeing various pharmacies and meeting new people daily!

It may look like I'm glorifying locuming, but if you are newly qualified, have an outgoing personality and relish no day being the same, then I think you should go for it before settling down as a permanent pharmacist. This was the advice a newly qualified locum pharmacist named Shelina gave me whilst I was a pre-reg at Biggin Hill and I thank her for it, as I was very reluctant to believe anyone who was newly qualified could be "thrown in the deep end". Oh, and the money's not too bad either! But there are always two sides to a coin, so please feel free to reply and share your own views.

p.s. Just a quick thank you to Fernando Torres for a 3-2 victory over the weekend.



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1.  Posted by Ravi Patel, On 17/12/2008 20:53

I'm glad other pharmacists, like Monica and Rahul, enjoy locuming and see it as a challenge, because I've seen others who go to work miserable, making no effort with staff or patients, but do it just because they generally earn more as a locum...


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2.  Posted by Monica Sharma Kapoor, On 14/11/2008 20:47

Hi, I started doing locum work as soon as I qualified, with a stint as a full-time locum for a couple of years. In my experience, it was the best way to build confidence, experience diversity, get to grips with a range of computer systems, get a feel for different pharmacy chains, be in control of where I worked (if you don't like it, you don't have to go back) and when I worked... I still locum now although not regularly and I love the buzz- you just don't know what the day will be like and that's a great challenge.


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3.  Posted by Michelle Bateman, On 30/10/2008 21:26

Harrods has a pharmacy?? Posh!


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4.  Posted by Rahul Shah, On 30/10/2008 08:26

Hi Ravi, I'm a relief locum, I guess to get the salary advantage but still have the regular days in places I know well, so you know what to expect. I too started off locuming everywhere, but everyone will have a different experience, a few bad shops I encountered running longterm on only locums definately left my workload in a mess and it ruins the day... Its potluck sometimes.


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